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  • The Jalisco Condo Law Before 1995 – REVISED

    In the “Jalisco Condo Manual,” I say that that the book is based on the condo legislation passed in 1995, and that different rules applied before then.

    So what’s the situation for condos that were set up before 1995?

    This is a re-write of a recent article

    This is a re-write of the article I posted yesterday (June 3, 2013).

    I was misinformed about some facts, and the original  article contained errors. Thanks to Jim Rizzo for pointing me in the right direction to research the correct information.

    It’s important to me to always give you accurate information and advice, and I appreciate it when readers point out errors and give me the necessary legal citations to find the facts.

    I apologise for any inconvenience this might have caused my readers, and encourage you to re-read this article, since there are significant changes.

    A bit of history…

    So far, Jalisco has had three different condo laws:

    Before April 11, 1985: the first condo law was introduced on March 17, 1956, and was separate from the Civil Code. This law was referenced by the Civil Code in Article 986 (under Chapter VI – Co-Ownership). This separate law was called the “Ley del Régimen de Propiedad y Condominio” (Law of the Regime of Ownership and Condominium).

    From April 11, 1985 until March 6, 1995: the condo law was changed, and was still a separate law referenced by Article 986 of the code. This new law was called the “Ley Sobre el Régimen de Propiedad y Condominio de Inmuebles” (Law on the Regime of Ownership and Condominium Real Estate), and came into effect on April 11, 1985.

    From March 6, 1995: the separate condo law was replaced by a new section of the Civil Code. This new section of the code was created to deal specifically with condominiums. The code also added a condominium to its list of legal entities, eliminating the need for an association.

    In the earlier versions of the Civil Code (before March 6, 1995), a condominium was not a legal entity, and so a civil association was needed to legally represent the condo. The code section on associations was similar to today’s.

    The law in effect when your condo was set up is the one that applies

    The decree that changed the Civil Code to incorporate the condo law (among many other changes), says, “The rights and obligations resulting from actions and legal acts carried out under the authority of the previous code will be governed by the [previous code].”

    Since the public registration of a condo regime is just such a legal act, the laws that apply to a given condo will be those that were in effect when the condo was set up (when the escritura constitutiva was registered).

    The next two sections of this article outline the major similarities and differences between the old and new laws, but aren’t exhaustive.

    Similarities…

    Both the separate laws and the new code section bundle the entire condominium property under a Régimen de Condominio (condo regime). The second condo law introduced the types of condos: vertical, horizontal, and mixed, with similar definitions and characteristics. Both divide a condo into private units and common property.

    The rules for setting up the condo regime were similar, and had to be registered in a public document (the escritura constitutiva), that also contained the percentage rights of each unit.

    The second condo law introduced the concept of a condómino (registered titleholder).

    All three laws require owners to pay fees for administration, and repairs and maintenance. The second condo law introduced the requirement for a a reserve fund.

    All three laws have a provision to sell a delinquent owner’s condo rights at public auction.

    In all three laws, both condo fees and voting at assemblies are proportional to the percentage property rights.

    The administrative structure is similar: each version of the condo law has an Administrator. The second condo law introduced a comité de vigilancia (oversight committee). The main purpose of the oversight committee (like today’s consejo de administración) is to inspect the work of the Administrator, verify the financial accounts and the reserve funds, report to the owners about the work of the Administrator, and assist the Administrator with their work under observance by the owners.

    Differences…

    The first condo law doesn’t define types of condos, this was introduced in the second condo law.

    The concept of a condómino (registered titleholder) does not exist in the first condo law. This law referred to dueños (owners) and propietarios (property owners).

    The first condo law doesn’t require reserves, this was introduced in the second condo law.

    Both of the old laws differ from each other, and from today’s law when it comes to assemblies:

    • the first condo law was very basic, and had no requirement for regular assemblies;
    • the second condo law introduced a general assembly that had to be held at least once a year; and
    • the new condo law introduced the concept of ordinary and extraordinary assemblies, with an ordinary assembly being mandatory once a year in the first quarter of the year.

    There are also significant differences amongst these three laws about quorum for assemblies, and voting rules to pass resolutions at assemblies.

    The first and second condo laws had a rule that when one owner has more than 50% of the voting rights, a resolution also needs 50% of the remaining votes to pass. This was eliminated in the new condo law.

    The second condo law required the Administrator to give a detailed monthly accounting to each owner on the financial state of the condo. This requirement no longer exists in the new law ( although it’s good practice for transparency). Now the Administrator is required to produce a detailed quarterly report to any owner who asks (although, again in the interests of transparency, a good condo administration will automatically send this to all owners).

    The first condo law had no “Board.” The second condo law introduced the comité de vigilancia (oversight committee). The oversight committee had to have at least three members (there is no longer this requirement unless it’s in the condo’s by-laws). One of these would be the committee chair. Now there’s only a chair (presidente) by implication. The new law changed this to a consejo de administración (administrative council).

    The old condo laws are more basic than the new one, and are lacking several rules that have now become law.

    The bottom line…

    The particular condo law that applies to a given condo is the one that was in effect when the condo was set up. Some condos might have re-established their condo regime when the major change took place in 1995, many did not.

    To find out which of the three condo laws applies to your condo, you must check the date of your escritura constitutiva:

    If your condo was set up before April 11, 1985, then you’re governed by the first condo law (separate from the Civil Code), and you will have an association.

    If your condo was set up on or after April 11, 1985, but before March 6, 1995, then you’re governed by the second condo law (separate from the Civil Code), and you will have an association.

    If your condo was set up on or after March 6, 1995, then you’re governed by the new condo law (embedded in the Civil Code), and you should not have an association. This is the version of the condo law that is covered in my books, the “Jalisco Condo Manual” and the “Jalisco Condo Law in English.”

  • Can Delinquent Owners Vote at an Assembly?

    The controversy

    I think I might have chosen a controversial topic for my first blog post, but I’ve received questions about this topic from multiple condos both on the coast and in the Lake Chapala area, and I think it’s an important one!

    On page 37 of the “Jalisco Condo Manual” I wrote, “It isn’t legal to prevent an owner from voting at an assembly for any reason, including if they’re late in paying fees or assessments.”

    This post has been updated since it was first published with an opinion from a notario (see “A conclusion…” at the end).

    So, how did I come up with this?

    I based this partly on a legal opinion that our condo got when we were planning our first assembly to change the administration from the developer to the owners several years ago. The developer had forbidden delinquent owners from being at and voting at the assemblies, and the transition team wanted to know if this was legal. The legal opinion they got said that it was not. Unfortunately, this opinion wasn’t in writing.

    As well as this legal opinion, the opinion in my book was based on some reasoning:

    The condo law doesn’t set up categories of owners – it just defines owners (or, more correctly, condóminos or title holders). These owners are then given rights and obligations by the condo law.

    This can be interpreted as meaning that an owner is an owner, whether blue, four-feet tall, or delinquent.

    There’s nothing in the Code to suggest that a condo owner loses their inherent rights just because they’re behind on their fees. I believe that the right to be at a condo assembly, and to vote is a real right that’s attached to the title of each condo unit.

    • The section of the Code on owners’ rights and responsibilities does not qualify that these rights only apply when an owner is current.
    • The section on assemblies simply refers to owners attending and voting, and does not in any way qualify this.
    • The section that explicitly deals with the remedy for non-payment of fees does not mention that delinquent owners can be stopped from voting at an assembly (if this were the intent of the legislation, I’d expect something to be found here).

    Summary: since the Code gives explicit rights to owners (and I believe that property owners also have more rights under other sections of the Code), and since it doesn’t appear to lessen or change these rights when the owner becomes delinquent in their fees, I don’t believe that a lesser authority (such as the by-laws or a Council/Board) can override these fundamental rights.

    Another compelling argument was brought up by a commenter below: if your delinquent owners together have 26% or more of the condo rights, and you bar them from voting at assemblies, then you can never hold an extraordinary assembly (because you can never get the minimum 75% of the total condo rights needed to pass a motion).

    Dueling lawyers

    I’ve been told by various condos that they have legal opinions from local abogados telling them that they can and that they cannot prevent delinquent owners from voting at an assembly. Yes, you read that correctly… there are conflicting, polar opposite opinions out there.

    The problem is that none of these opinions are in writing, nor are there any citations. By citations, I mean that the lawyer says you can do this because of Article xxx of the Code, or the Ley de Blahblahblah, Article yyy. Without this, it’s impossible to know if they’re just off-the-cuff opinions (that might not be correct), or a fact of law.

    If I were on a Council/Board of a condo that was planning to enact a policy to take away a fundamental right of an owner, I’d want to have a very clear legal position to back this action up.

    Without this legal backup, I’d strongly recommend erring on the side of caution. I wouldn’t try to stop an owner voting at an assembly because they’re delinquent in their fees, unless I had a detailed (includes citations) written legal opinion from a Mexican legal professional supporting this action.

    A challenge to the community

    This is a controversial and important topic. I, for one, would like a definitive answer. If I see something concrete, I’m more than ready to change my position on this.

    So… if any of you out there have a definitive legal opinion on this, please share it in the comment section below this post! If you’ve prevented morosos from voting, and have run afoul of a lawsuit or other legal problem, please also share your story! If you prefer your comments or stories to be anonymous and unattributed, please use the “Email Us” tab on the left of this page to send us a private email.

    With the breadth of experience in the condo community in Jalisco, maybe we can all get a conclusive answer on this. Community interaction is one of the reasons I started this blog…

    A conclusion… [Update]

    I have received an email from a Jalisco notario whom I respect very much. He says that a formal legal opinion on this issue should not be needed because voting at an assembly is a basic right of condo owners. He adds that if a condo has an issue with unpaid fees, it must be dealt with in a law suit, and can never be used as an excuse to deny voting rights.